ARB Minutes 2-20-08

Minutes

Architectural Review Board

Village/Town of Mount Kisco

Wednesday February 20, 2008

Meeting called to order at 7:30 pm, Wednesday February 20, 2008, at the Municipal Building Mount Kisco, New York.

Members Present: Chairman Kevin Kelly

Anne Houck

Bruce Hartleben

Members Absent: Nancy Abramson

Staff Present: None

Staff Absent: Austin Cassidy

Returning Cases:

1. Neil Carnow Case #06-11

487 Main Street Fa�ade/Modifications

Mount Kisco, New York 10549

Ian and Neil Carnow representing the property owners

Ian Carnow: I believe you are all familiar with the project. When we re-did this portion of the building we found that structurally it wasn't very sound. So they had to do a little bit more demolition that we originally intended on doing there. They basically had to take this whole portion of the building down to the foundation. That prompted us to do an as built survey by the request of Jeff Econom, Assistant Village Manager. When we did the as built survey Jeff brought to our attention the fact that there was a variance for this line of the building being as close as it was to the property line. So what we had to do was to modify our drawing so we did not have anything that projected more than a foot past that set back line. The same condition applies to this corner of the building here (viewing of the site plan) for the thirty foot set back. So what we did was we modified the architectural piers on the building. We pulled them back so that they are in conformance.

Chairman Kelly: Originally they were three feet.

Ian Carnow: Originally they were three feet out. We had to pull them back on these two sides. We maintained the same general relationship from the fascia to the pier. As you can see from this elevation there is really not any significant difference in the character and the way it looks. Just that instead of projecting three feet it now projects about a foot. Just for visual clarification this is what was originally submitted and approved. I think that you can see we have kept the same character. We are seeking approval for this minor modification and pulling the piers back.

Chairman Kelly: I have a couple of general questions for you. This may not be in our domain. Your parking count is different than what is in the application. They are at least a one or two car difference that should be looked into. It will affect the use of your building. At this time you are not asking this board to approve any signage? We did approve at one point in time the one in the back corner.

Nancy Placona: It was the street locator, 487 Main and the monument sign.

Chairman Kelly: Nothing else?

Nancy Placona: Correct.

Chairman Kelly: Even thought you are showing tenant location you are not presenting any signage?

Neil Carnow: Correct. As each tenant comes forward they will seek their own approvals.

Anne Houck: Is there a sign package for this building?

Neil Carnow: There is.

Anne Houck: Are they aware of it?

Neil Carnow: They have been made aware of it and when the time comes they will come before the board to look at the whole package as on entity. The fascia element also came back.

Nancy Placona: Before a motion goes to the floor, just to make clear. The tenant signage space that faces Main Street there is no entrance to the tenant space here. This is your signage and I would encourage the applicant to be careful at signing all the sides of the building since there is no entrance to the tenant space on this side of the building.

Chairman Kelly: There will be an approval needed from his board for all their signage. That is what I was leading up to before. We at this time are not approving any signage and there is signage being represented on this application. The only signage that was approved was the street location and the directory sign.

We are only talking about the pilasters adjustment from the three feet back to 12 inches.

Anne Houck: That is the only thing that we are approving tonight?

Chairman Kelly: Correct.

Neil Carnow: There is a horizontal aluminum banding that was proposed, and if we are not putting signage on it because this board won't approve it, then the construction of those band are somewhat moot.

Chairman Kelly: You are 100% correct. We will see nothing there.

Anne Houck: I move that we approve the minor changes in the pilasters to conform to the set back designation.

Bruce Hartleben: Second

Board All Ayes

Anne Houck: On the motion, Aye

Bruce Hartleben: Second, Aye

Chairman Kelly: Aye.

New Cases:

1. Ana Civita Case #08-03

237 Main Street Awning/Signage

Mount Kisco, New York 10549

Ana Civita, applicant

Ana Civita: I believe you have copies. The only additional information I have is the size of the letters. They have the measurements of the awning.

Chairman Kelly: Would you just walk us through the proposal so we are all on the same page?

Ana Civita: What happen was Sunburst the previous tenant they left their old awning. I took the awning and used it to change the name for the new store. I went away and one of my assistants was supposed to fill out the application, so that is the reason why I filled it out. Now they just want the measurements of the letters but it is the same existing awning, it is just that it is a new store.

Chairman Kelly: This is a new color too. For all intensive purposes this is a new awning.

Ana Civita: We are using the same frame. The other awning was old and weathered.

Chairman Kelly: This went up obviously without approval or permit. Let's talk about the materials; the awning itself is made out of…

Ana Civita: Canvas.

Chairman Kelly: We have a color?

Ana Civita: It is lavender.

Nancy Placona: I do not have a sample of the fabric.

Chairman Kelly: I have a question about the graphics on the side of the awning, the returns?

Nancy Placona: They are not allowed.

Bruce Hartleben: Which color is the true color?

Ana Civita: It is more like a plum. Once it was all up it looked purple. It tends to run along a grape color. It also matches the store next store. It is the same color with the same gold letters.

Chairman Kelly: My first question and comment is the graphics on the side panel of the awning, they need to be removed.

Ana Civita: Can they be placed anywhere else on the awning?

Chairman Kelly: No. They have to be removed and would not be in compliance with the current regulations.

Ana Civita: What could go on the front, just the name of the business?

Chairman Kelly: Just the name of your business that is it.

Anne Houck: Your address.

Chairman Kelly. Just so the applicant is clear, the word boutique and showroom could potentially be in the window?

Nancy Placona: As she did with Casa Linda she put less than 30% on the interior of the window, not exterior.

Chairman Kelly: These two words potentially could be placed on the interior of the window. You are asking where to put it and that would be one way to comply with the code.

Ana Civita: Can I do the same thing as the awning with the same graphics?

Chairman Kelly: Only 30% of the glass can have the graphics or words or logo.

Ana Civita: I will do the same and proportionate to the size of the window.

Chairman Kelly: 30% is the absolute max. I think the graphic is very interesting.

Bruce Hartleben: The size of the letters are?

Chairman Kelly: The upper case is 25 inches.

Ana Civita: The size of the awning is the same size as the previous.

Anne Houck: Upper case is 20 inches and lower case varies to five inches and up.

Chairman Kelly: I think that it is very playful.

Anne Houck: I move that we accept the awning with the alterations that were described by the Architectural Review Board to include the removal of the letters on the awning return.

Ana Civita; I will take those out.

Anne Houck: We also discussed with the applicant the proportional signage the interior of the shop windows.

Ana Civita: 30%.

Anne Houck: You will not need to come before us again unless it's larger than 30 %.

Bruce Hartleben: Second.

Board All Ayes.

Anne Houck: On the motion, Aye

Bruce Hartleben; Second, Aye

Chairman Kelly: Aye

2. Citi Smith Barney Case #08-06

66 S. Moger Ave Signage

Mount Kisco, New York 10549

No Show

3. Sylflor Realty Group/George Brodish Case #08-06

359 Main Street HVAC Replacement

Mount Kisco, New York 10549

George Tockstein, George Brodish, and Richard Gesimondo, representing the applicant

George Tockstein: I run the commercial division for Olnick Organization which built the building and expanded the building back in the 80's. We have maintained and owned the building since then. Throughout the years we have owned other things in the area in Mount Kisco. Currently this is our only asset within the boundaries of Mt Kisco. As you may or may not know we own numerous facilities throughout the northeast and this is one the family continues to hold. We like Mt Kisco. This is regarding the replacement of the air conditioning unit which is much needed by the building and tenants. George Brodish will take you though the project, he is in charge of construction.

George Brodish: This project hopefully will improve the whole building mechanically. I realize your prevue is the architectural impact which we can go over. We've done some changes all to make it less of an impact architecturally than what you see now in the current conditions. This current unit will be approximately one inch higher. What you see in the pictures will not be any different. We can explain as we go.

Richard Gesimondo: This is a basic replacement. The new unit will be light weight and the color beige. We are going to put new vertical ducts down through the building and the building has four floors. These vertical ducts will be tied into the existing duct work on each of the floors. Our intents is not removing 90% of the duct work on the floors.

Chairman Kelly: That is not our scope. What this board is going to be concerned about is the exterior and what it ultimately will look like. In previous applications we have had the applicant screen it. The Mt Kisco medical building was required to screen their equipment.

George Brodish: What we did you will see from the drawing. This is where the original was and we have shifted that unit…

Drawings over microphone

George Brodish: What we did was to shift this unit to this side so we could further camophlage it with the bulkhead. We have taken photos anywhere from 50 feet to two hundred feet. I think the photos demonstrate with the units there with the line of site as far back as two hundred and fifty feet there is not a line sight issue. Therefore we are requesting your approval for this change out.

George Tockstein: This is a solid wall and beige is the closest color we could come to the building to match. Upon completion of this we are replacing the roof with a similar roof as to what is there.

Anne Houck: You have recently re-pointed this building.

George Brodish: Yes we did re-point and found serious problems with the top layer of the building. There has been quite a bit of money put into this building. The only other thing that we have done is the parking lot was completely refaced and the drainage system was upgraded.

Drawings over Microphone

Viewing of photographs from different elevations

George Brodish: The view from the back would be the Boys and Girls club.

George Tockstein: We have taken this unit and moved it to the other side which further camouflaged it even further. From any view you will not be able to see it at all.

Anne Houck: Coming up Main street you still would not be able to see it.

George Tockstein: This photo is from over 3oo feet and all you see is a little bit of bulkhead. Of course if you were on the 7^th floor of the hospital you would more than likely see it in the winter but in the summer when the trees are in bloom you will not see it. This is not an open cooling tower. It is framed. When you look this you can see the fan but from the side it is all encased. The condensing unit is clad on four sides with access panels. Like George said it is not an open face cooling tower with mist coming out of it and it is not going to be that pronounced.

Chairman Kelly: Talk about the duct work that appears to be on top in this section if I am following this correctly. It appears to be on top of the unit. Material, color.

George Brodish: Sheet metal, beige.

Chairman Kelly: The overall height? We have the unit itself and the duct work on top of it.

George Brodish: 26 inches deep.

Chairman Kelly: I commend you on more information than we needed here. Logic says you are probably not going to see it. I am concerned that if the board grants you a waiver at this point and not to screen, and we are wrong what is our remedy?

George Brodish: 4-6 months we would have to screen it. I don't know how we would screen it.

Chairman Kelly: Mt Kisco Medical Group said they could not screen but we did find a way and they did screen it. There is always a way. I am leaving this as we are not going to see it unless you are on the 4-5^th floor of the hospital. Short of encapsulating the whole thing. I think they would be the only people that would see it.

George Brodish: We have a very good relationship with the hospital.

Chairman Kelly: Can we get a motion here that everybody understands and we if are all wrong we come back and revisit the potential of screening.

Anne Houck: I motion that we accept the application as noted that if the screening is in the sight line the applicant will come back to revisit screening for the units..

Bruce Hartleben: Second

Board All Ayes.

Anne Houck: On the motion, Aye

Bruce Hartleben: Second, Aye.

Chairman Kelly: Aye.

4. John Bucolo Case#08-04

117 St. Marks Place Residential/

Mount Kisco, New York 10549 New Construction

No Show.

Minutes:

January 16, 2008

To be carried over until the March meeting

The board was shown the new sign that will be placed outside of Fox Park. The Architectural Review Board at this time has given its blessings on this sign. The board was impressed with the design of the sign and colors. The Indian logo was very well received and was identifiable and should be used in the future as a logo on all official documents for the Village of Mt Kisco.

Chairman Kelly: Adjourned meeting

Respectfully Submitted By,

Nancy Placona

Board Secretary

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